Saws from the bay

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Chris Pyle
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Saws from the bay

Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:44 pm

As promised, here are some saws I picked up from Ebay.

First: New/Old Double Edge Yoshioka Michio Ryoba Nokogiri 300mm

This vintage double edge saw also known as ryoba nokogiri in Japanese is a new/old stock, un-used

Professional grade saw made by Yosjioka Michio

Blade size is 300mm

Hand engraved on the neck, Yoshioka Michio

A handle is fitted to the blade and it is ready to use
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Next is:

New/Old Double Edge Miyano Takeo Ryoba Nokogiri 300mm

This vintage double edge saw also known as ryoba nokogiri in Japanese is a new/old stock, un-used

Professional grade saw made by Miyano Takeo

Blade size is 300mm

Hand engraved on the neck, Miyano Takeo
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3rd:

New/Old Double Edge Nakaya Ryoji Ryoba Anahiki Nokogiri 330mm

This vintage double edge saw also known as ryoba anahiki nokogiri in Japanese is a new/old stock, un-used

Professional grade saw made by Nakaya Ryoji

Blade size is 330mm

Hand engraved on the neck, Nakaya Ryoji
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Re: Saws from the bay

Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:46 pm

4th saw is:

New/Old Double EdgeWatanabe Kazuo Anahiki Nokogiri 330mm

This vintage double edge saw also known as anahiki nokogiri in Japanese is a new/old stock, un-used

Professional grade saw made by Watanabe Kazuo

Blade size is 330mm

Hand engraved on the neck,Watanabe Kazuo
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Strange the description calls it a double edge saw. It's a larger rip saw that I wanted to try out for ripping down stock.
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Re: Saws from the bay

Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:23 pm

I've been looking for a large rip saw like that lately. A friend who brought old tools from japan finally gave me one, a medium quality old new (it's kinda black, don't know why...), and I'm getting used to it... but I'd love to get your feedback on this one. Were there more for sale? Do you have more info on Watanabe Kazuo?
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Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:54 am

I haven't used this one yet. It's been wrapped in paper since I received it. We've been in a weird, pseudo-packed state while we look for a home. I hope to use it soon to rip some stock for the sawhorse project. I completed the drawing on MDF but I haven't cut a single stick for it yet.

There were some more for sale when I inquired, I can ask the seller if you are interested.. If you'd like one, PM me with your price and I'll watch any that he puts up. The rip saw was purchased for $38 but shipping was $25 (so I purchased a few to spread the shipping across multiple saws). He may ship directly to your location as well. Most of the other saws were had for under $50.

I can ask about Watanabe Kazuo, I know nothing of this maker. This was the info in the Ebay description. I can also ask the seller for more information on the makers if interested.
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Re: Saws from the bay

Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:15 pm

PMed.

These prices seem very low though!
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Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:06 pm

AntoineLaMothe wrote:These prices seem very low though!
Really nice prices indeed.

Chris, from the pictures looks like the anahiki nokogiri is a diagonal cut according to Odate's drawing, that is, it has alternating bevels on the front facet. Maybe that's what the double edge refers to?

I have one saw filed like that, a big one whale-like, but I haven't sharpened yet, so I don't know how it compares to a normal rip saw, I'm very interested in what you think about the teeth pattern.

And the first one looks really high class. I like the finishing on the neck, very clean lines! Have fun with them.
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Re: Saws from the bay

Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:01 pm

Sebastian Gonzalez wrote:
AntoineLaMothe wrote:These prices seem very low though!
Really nice prices indeed.

Chris, from the pictures looks like the anahiki nokogiri is a diagonal cut according to Odate's drawing, that is, it has alternating bevels on the front facet. Maybe that's what the double edge refers to?

I have one saw filed like that, a big one whale-like, but I haven't sharpened yet, so I don't know how it compares to a normal rip saw, I'm very interested in what you think about the teeth pattern.

And the first one looks really high class. I like the finishing on the neck, very clean lines! Have fun with them.

Thanks Sebastian, which ones would you prefer to sharpen? I need to keep either the rip or the 330 ryoba to rip some bigger stock down but the the others could be sent your way so you could work your magic. I haven't measured the thickness of these saw blades yet, I'm wondering if you have a preferred thickness for the style of sharpening you employ?
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Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:34 pm

If you would like to try the chumasaru pattern a la sebastian, I guess the first 2 ryobas are good candidates. The others have that double bevel that I don't understand yet. It would be great if you could review them, and compare the cutting action of each teeth pattern.

I would not cut big gullets on either since they are new, seems like a crime to me.

This is something I've been wanting to try, Nagakatsu kind of cut 4 facets in each tooth as if 3 where not trouble enough.

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That way you don't need to joint the teeth that much and you change the geometry without removing half of the teeth, which is what I did in the saws I sent to Jason. In that case, it was justified since the saw had several missing teeth. In yours it would be a waste.

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