Buy a new Saw and Plane

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Re: Buy a new Saw and Plane

Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:15 pm

I absolutely respect quality handmade tools and someday I will be able to justify a purchase such as that. for now i need a useable plane to learn with, undoubtedly expanding from there.

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Re: Buy a new Saw and Plane

Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:29 pm

Hi Rob,

A good way to go for your first kanna is to rely on someone you can trust to advise you.
Here is a very basic plane which is cheap enough to practice with:
http://www.toolsfromjapan.com/store/ind ... th=339_441
If you want something better, Stu can adivise you. Drop him a line as he's very helpful.

Gadge
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Re: Buy a new Saw and Plane

Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:56 am

Thank you for all your replies,

Gadge
my Ulmia Plane works good. It´s more al Feeling.
My thumb hurts when i use the Plane longer, and the Plane is more suited for rougher Work with a wide opened Mouth.

There is one thing on Japanese Planes, that i don’t understand.
When i use a western Plane, i stand over the Plane and press
the Plane automatically always a bit down to the Wood when i push Forward. To produce a consistent Shaving.
How is this with a Kanna?
When i watched Chris planing Videos, it looks like he gotta apply a lot of down Force to the Plane, additional to the pulling.
Isn´t that more demanding than a push Plane?
Especially with the wide Jap. Planes and hard Wood?

Saws,
thank jou for your tip about traditional Jap. Saws.
My Ryoba is thankfully very tough, i bend the Blade multiply.

Good to hear that you pleased with your Festool Tools and Saw.
I know both Saws have pro and cons. All two are relatively
light. Some people say, a Bandsaw must be as heavy as possible, to tension the Blade enough. Specially for re-sawing.
What are your experiences in this case?

Gruß

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Re: Buy a new Saw and Plane

Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:45 am

Gadge thank you for the link it was very helpful. il be ordering soon.

Michael I'd love to hear how you like the festool/ Makita saw. a good portable unit may be something I could use this building season.

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Re: Buy a new Saw and Plane

Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:40 pm

Hi Michael,
it would be easier for me to explain it in German, but a lot of the others wouldn't understand it. So in English: For ripping wood I would recommend a Hitachi. There you can find a very good small saw on "Maschinensucher": https://www.maschinensucher.de/Mobile-T ... /i-1076534
If you want to try different Japanese planes come to me and try it in the South of Germany.
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Re: Buy a new Saw and Plane

Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:20 am

"When i watched Chris planing Videos, it looks like he gotta apply a lot of down Force to the Plane, additional to the pulling.
Isn´t that more demanding than a push Plane?
Especially with the wide Jap. Planes and hard Wood?"
I don't think of myself normally applying a lot of pressure in planing, however in those videos my working position was more awkward, as I was stooped over the work. It's better to pull the plane along near your hip instead of down by your knees.

The wider the plane the more work it is on all fronts. People after all can pull very wide shavings with very wide planes, though it takes immaculate tool preparation, immaculate stock preparation, intense focus and extremely controlled force:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRvyAD2L0XE

The above however is far from normal planing.

I have a steeper angled plane which I use on difficult hardwoods with interlocked grain. It definitely requires more effort to pull than a lower-angled plane.
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Re: Buy a new Saw and Plane

Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:27 am

Werner wrote: So in English: For ripping wood I would recommend a Hitachi. There you can find a very good small saw on "Maschinensucher": https://www.maschinensucher.de/Mobile-T ... /i-1076534
If you want to try different Japanese planes come to me and try it in the South of Germany.
Werner can teach a lot about planing I'm sure, so I recommend you take him up on that.

That little Hitachi is a gem, and I don't believe this was ever offered in the US market but I'm not too excited about the pressed metal table. It would make it light and portable, which seems to be the idea with that model I guess.

I really like the Hitachi CB75F as a smaller bandsaw. You can fit blades from a 1/4" (6mm) to 3" (75mm) and tensioning the blade is no issue as the frame is very stiff. The only negative is the noisy gear reduction motor. I imagine that model can be found in Germany as well, no?
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Re: Buy a new Saw and Plane

Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:48 am

Hi
Chris, this Video is impressive. Probably there is less of pressure
involved that i imagined. I want definitely buy one and try it out.
I asked Werner what Kanna he recommend.
Here are his answers.

Don't underestimate the handling with Japanese planes. To get perfect results will take you some years. To buy it and than use it like an iron one will be frustrating. I also would not recommend to buy a expensive one for the beginning, because the first Japanese plane in most cases is a plan for experiments - and errors. I don't know your skills and what you want to plane with the Kanna. But a blade round about 50 mm should fit for most tasks.

Here are some cheap Planes - the real good Kannas start at 700€ ( 775$).
The high-end ones are so expensive, because they are handmade from Japanese Master
Blacksmiths itself, and not from her employees.
That is important, the Master Blacksmiths have extremely rarely variations in there Work,
the other Blacksmiths produce more often failures.
Although there are no reasons against Industrial made Planes, these are made in a
automatically process whereby the Temperatures controlled technically, the Master Blacksmiths made this by experience.
Additionally have the high-end Kannas very rare or limited Steels.

Here are some cheap Planes:
http://www.mehr-als-werkzeug.de/product ... tm?lang=en
This Plane is probably a Industrial made Plane. The only disadvantage: White Paper Steel
is more suited to plane softer Wood. The Steel is easier to sharpen than Blue Paper Steel.
The Iron is very small, the advantage of a narrow Blade is, its easier to sharpen.

http://www.mehr-als-werkzeug.de/product ... tm?lang=en
Same Plane as above, but with a wider Iron.

http://www.mehr-als-werkzeug.de/product ... tm?lang=en
This Plane made by master workshop Tsunesaburo.

http://www.fine-tools.com/jhobm.htm
Here the first one, the others are currently not available.

You can also look at ebay.com, there are cheap ones from Japan.
But you must pay normally tariffs and sales tax, also add a quarter to the purchase price and the exchange rate is adverse.


Ive decided to buy a cheap used one, ore the last one to start, to learn the basic Skills,
is the best way for me.
I send the dealer with the Hitachi Bandsaw a email.
He could´t tell me the year of manufacture, besides i can’t find many informations
in the web about this Saw. It seems this Saw is not really common.
What is wen i need replacement parts.
I think its probably better to wait awhile and look further.

Michael

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