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Bed Build
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:55 am
by Brian
Re: Bed Build
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:02 am
by Brian
Re: Bed Build
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:25 am
by Chris Hall
Good on ya for tackling a rod joint with shachi.
I would say however that you have made the rod itself a tad fat, which means the receiving member with a fork has fork blades a bit on the skinny side. When the shachi are inserted they will likely open up the interface between the fork side faces and the rod's side faces as the fork blades will not quite be stiff enough. You could change the shachi to the parallelogram shape type to compensate a little.
Ideally the rod width is 1/3 the receiving member. It can be slimmer, depending upon timber sizes, but fatter is not advised. The rod you have made there looks to be about 1/2-section thickness.
Re: Bed Build
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:37 am
by Brian
Thanks Chris! Ahh, makes sense, exactly like Mortise and tenon.
I could also laminate 3/16" cheeks that would extend into the center beam, what are you thoughts on this coarse of action?
I saw that you rec'd the parallelogram in the writing as well as it directs the forces in more of a straight line, I will do this as it makes the layout more intuitive. I have a 10 degree dovetail plane which will help make the parallelogram pretty easy to cut.
Re: Bed Build
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:43 am
by Chris Hall
Well, if you can swing it in terms of your material pile, and it would work design-wise, I'd cut new rails, sized in width to be 3x the rod section thickness. I would do that in preference to gluing cheeks on to fatten it up, which I would consider a 'last recourse' sort of thing.
Re: Bed Build
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:02 pm
by Brian
3" wide should work, these are hidden by the outside frame which has an elevation equal to the rails.
I kick myself designing on the fly, I had originally planned half laps supported by center legs, but I decided to ditch the center leg because they're always catching on things.
Re: Bed Build
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:23 pm
by Brian
Chris,
I decided first to cut parallelogram shachi before making a decision. I installed these and drove them in pretty well, the deflection is under .003" per side.
The pins are surprisingly easy to make with a 10 degree dovetail plane clamped in a vise.
Re: Bed Build
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:36 pm
by Chris Hall
That came out well - nice to be able to keep the pieces you already had and worth the gamble for sure.
Re: Bed Build
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:31 pm
by Brian
Thanks Chris! And I will certainly be doing 1/3 proportions on the next project.
Re: Bed Build
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:45 pm
by Chris Hall
In most cases, 1/3 is about right, though you can go as small as 1/4. When the pieces get on the wide side, then look to go to twin rod tenons, or passing rod tenons.